ZDaemon

[Samiam]

I decided we should do this as a poll, so can people and only people in the current 3v3 ctf tourney vote. If you don't know what a LB is, it's basically double elimination, teams knocked out of the main tourney go into the LB so it makes up for bad random draws, the winner of the LB plays the winner of the main tourney...... the winner of that is the ultimate winner of the tourney.

This poll has a time limit of 7 days, so vote soon please

[izm_]

I say no. If you're picked against a good team, or no team.. that's just hard luck. It's the pick of the draw and once you're out you're out. That's the good thing about a 'knock out' kind of tourney.

[Vampire Knight]

[Titan_66]

sure it should, because without LB is tourney fu***ng short even for a winner. 1-4 matches is really poor imo. CTF is very favourite last year, it deserves bigger tourneys. I know that each vs each is not possible (too long but really 100% fair) but one can lose in first match = the end - too quick - very cruel. And there is no perfect ctf team which is able to win always. CTF is not so obvious like 1on1 is (i know that player A is better than player B but in the CTF - everything is possible - there are not too big skill differences) Look at the 1on1 tourneys, there is quite long process. Each team deserves second chance.

[Ballero]

I agree with Titan and Vamp, LB is good for all...

[Tuomio]

Hmm, yeah. But i dont know did i understand this correctly, u mean that the teams who have lost, fights the other teams who have dropped too?
for example: A fights B, B wins. C fights D, D wins. Then A and C would fight. Sorry for my bad english but u should understand it lol. I hope so.

[Dave Lister]

hey sam, with LB there is one thing concerned, the final game is between the winner of winners bracket (lets call them team A) and winner of losers bracket (team B). but while B already lost one game (that's why they're in LB), team A goes to final without any loss. So, team A should have slight advantage over team B. For example:
* team A chooses color
* when its tie (0-0, 1-1, 2-2) team A wins, no sudden death game
* when team B wins by one (2-1, etc), sudden death game follows
This is just proporsal, maybe needs some more discussing and then should go into rules or somewhere so that players not used to LB know.

I'm posting this because before Oblacek tourney final we didn't know what advantage should one team have.....

[ufon]

[Samiam]

I like the proposals so far, but isn't the team colour better now it's been changed? Also I'm not sure of who gets 3rd and 4th place where LB are concerned could you let me know how it's done on gamezone? I also need to figure out an LB spider for 19 teams if it's possible. Any ideas?

[Tomsa_x]

Samiam. 3rd should be loser of WB final, 4th loser of LB final...this sounds sensible and I think (well quite sure about this) that gamezone tourneys are taken like this.

LB for 19 teams should be the same as LB for 32 teams, since it IS 32-collum bracket for the first round, isnt it? Just the first round will be cutt of as 1st round of WB. Problem will be how to fit LB for your normal bracket system... this should be perhaps done on special page, but I really dont see into your zdeamon paging system, so you will have to work it out somehow Sam...

[Vampire Knight]

[Ragnarok]

In my opinion there should be no match between the winnner of the LB and the WB. I think the winner of the WB should be number 1 and the winner of the LB should be number 2.

[Tomsa_x]

[spacepirate]

No, the winner of the LB will be the winner of the LB and the winner of the WB will be the winner of the WB. Simple.

[Samiam]

[Dave Lister]

[spacepirate]

Interesting point. I think I didn't get it right.

Nice explanation.

[Samiam]

Ok teams I need your help with this, most of you know how the LB works. We have a slight problem here as we have 10 teams for the first round LB. DoP got DQ for being no shows twice, so they aren't going into the LB, we also had a team that fell apart before the first round was played/underway. So 10 teams in the first round LB would mean 9 in the next round which won't work.

Some ideas I have come up with to reduce it to 8 teams + a couple of alternatives are;

1: Take out the two teams who lost with the least amount of flags scored.
2: Give Raider the names of the 10 losing teams and let him draw 8 out of a bag.
3: Let the 3 teams from the first round go head to head to take the slot DoP left in the LB by being DQ.
4: Let all 10 teams in but let the highest scored losing team from the previous LB round play against the odd team in each following round. And work out something at the end.
5: What I don't want to do but it's up to you guys..... let the odd team get a bye to an extra LB final before the big final.

If you have any other ideas for as fair a way as possible to do this, please let me know. Or if you prefer one of the options above, again please post here so we can get the LB underway.

[Tomsa_x]

I think 1st and 4th option are the best if I understand the 4th one well. (The 4th point is not clear to me, neither is the 5th, but as far as I got it, the 4th should work fine...)

[Starrec]

I think 1st option is the best, 4st option is good, Other options are bad.