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Euro Open Grandslam January 2009
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dewww
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i'm sad to hear that, oce. your opinion is highly regarded, because you're a top player. on the other hand, you're being highly destructive in this discussion and you're not helping anyone's cause. your claims are utopian and you present no solution.

also, i hate this thing when people chip quotes out of context. players in these tourneys are free to make an agreement where to play. when they can't make an agreement, they turn to tourney management. tourney management doesn't see 40 or 50ms ping difference as a case to refuse playing a match if there's no possible neutral grounds available. we won't stop the tournament, because someone feels hurt by his geographical or connection disadvantage. it's hugely unfair to everyone else. we will rather continue without you than to create servers in latvia just to find the exact ping equilibrium between you and someone else.

also, this argument started when mortal complained he has a 30ms disadvantage to titan on l@p. mortal is from belgium, titan is from czech republic. anyone trying to say that isn't fair needs to check an atlas immediatelly. it's 100% positive that the ping difference is the matter of mortal's worse internet connection. dear god, why should titan have to play on horizon, where he claims to lag, just to create some artificial ping equilibrium? it's preposterous. neutral grounds most certainly doesn't mean disadvantaging one player to compensate for the crap that is his opponent's internet connection. if this was the case, people playing fluffles would have to use servers in america.

that said - try to calm your rage. i'm not claiming you're not able to spot 30ms difference, even though it's just one game tic. i'm just saying that difference doesn't matter if YOU play let's say ME on horizon. you will probably get a huge packet loss and i have crap reaction time.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ocelot wrote:
I think it's absolute noob talk to claim that a 30ms ping difference isn't significant. (...) Yeah, it's like youall have already decided that ZDaemon will never be a serious esport, it just gives kids something to shoot for. Sad.


I think it's noob talk to claim ZD was/is/will ever be a professional Esport. How much money has anyone made out of winning a ZD tourney? Are any hardware moguls sponsoring any clan or player? As far as I know the official ZD tournaments have always promoted fun above all else, and the 3rd-party leagues and ladders came to fruition to address the "omgserious" demographic you speak of. There's no good reason to pointedly come after the tourney admins because they're essentially telling players to uphold their match arrangements and not cry as much about ping differentials. Confused
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 5:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Flawless victory for chaindude. Move on?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 6:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, just an obvious flamebait. Trying not to bite.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 6:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hope you realize I'm not actually disagreeing with you ocelot. I just hope you realize there's very little we can do about it. The more even the gound, the better. No-one likes playing uphill. But it's up to the players to decide where to play, and if they can't, the admins should be entitled to take a 'just play here Arrow' kind of approach.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 7:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fair enuff sir
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 11:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good, good.

So did anyone else get any matches played? It's kinda getting late in the month...
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

New admins, when things get too offtopic (not saying this is the case now), you can pm me to clean up the thread, since Im still moderator of this forum section Razz.

But like Cybershark said, let's get the games going again Smile. Im glad to see this section of Zdaemon getting more active again.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers Rag, I think that would be a good idea here.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

10 pages and 2 or 3 has actually something to do with the tourney Sad

Let's get this tourney going! Mortal and Titan, what are you guys going to

do now?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mortalogy <> Titan

36 <> 50

gg
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thank you for finishing it, guys. brackets updated, we're in semis now :)

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

we can't provide an english server and l@p should be just fine
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

EDIT: k screw this post
we agreed to play our match next sunday on l@p
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well ok, sunday 18:00 - 21:00 on l@p ARRANGED ! Its Okey.
And thanks for my ping once again.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Titan vs kemisti
35 - 50
GG
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

runkman wrote:
Titan vs kemisti
35 - 50
GG

brackets updated. kinda inconspicuos, just.. bam! result, here you go. i like it. :)
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nice runkman, a .CI. in final Razz
good luck dude.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dewww wrote:
runkman wrote:
Titan vs kemisti
35 - 50
GG

brackets updated. kinda inconspicuos, just.. bam! result, here you go. i like it. Smile

heh, plain and simple Smile I'm a man of few words.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Should I start cleaning up already? Razz. This topic has already 12 pages though you would need like 5 to sign up and post your results all together...

Everybody should adapt to the 'Runkmans-style'. Let the results speak for you!!
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