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[Krawa]

YO! Great new map and "engine" improvements!
I updated the server to the new wad and also include the 2 "fan made" maps. I just changed their map number.
So maybe they could also use the latest scripts and be included to the wad project. The we can start to play it Deathmatch.

[Op-Cow]

https://sites.google.com/site/opcow4/sor500.wad

here's the new maps with the new scripts and FFA PlayerStarts. Mapinfo has also been fixed so hopefully music and skies should work right, assuming I didn't mess anything up.

No time to purty em up at all, but at least it's all working on the same system now, and should be ffa ready.

Op-Cow

[Krawa]

Server is updated.

[Op-Cow]

Thanks again for the support Krawa.

Now that the game is getting to be workable, let's pick it apart. [LAD]St._Anger has already been really helpful. Between him and me, we've come up with:

1.) OMGWHATWASITHINKING? Too much ammo! I didn't want to litter the track with pickups but it's better than this.
2.) If you wallrun across the finish in map 2, it doesn't register a lap.
3.) Because the map 2 pitstop awards ammo, players can sit outside the starting area blowing up players as they spawn and generally be a jerk.
4.) Map 4's weapons are apparently tagged for coop only.
5.) Map 5's teleport to the track is before the finish line. The best way to win is to get killed repeatedly.
6.) 4&5 will need major rebuilding, if they're going to be a part of any finished product. 4 to look better, 5 to play better.
7.) Maybe I should allow boosting in the rough areas. With the limited boost I don't think it will make the tracks too forgiving. Thoughts?

Thanks for the feedback,

Op-Cow

[EarthQuake]

[[LAD]St_Anger1]

Good thing EarthQuake mentioned the whole linedef deal, because I found a major bug/exploit regarding the NO2 system (changing the velocity of a player within the angle) and the lap counting linedefs, which also throw the player off for a security reason (Video). As you can see, crossing the line in reverse seems to count in the lap, but linedef, trying to bounce you forwards, gives you another lap, and using additional boost mid-air counters the ramp's force letting you win quickly.
Personally I think this should use a system most racing games use - checkpoints, regardless if they're hidden or not, having to pass a linedef (or better yet a sector) at the opposite side of the map would greatly decrease the possibility of cheating, even on the original map.

[Op-Cow]

thanks for the feedback. I'll work out a way to implement this

Op-Cow

[EarthQuake]

I will second a checkpoint system, not only for reasons mentioned by [LAD]St-Anger1, but because dying is often very detrimental to winning a race. In a respawn script, you should teleport players to the last checkpoint they reached so that by dying before the start line will not send the player back by an entire lap.

I think that checkpoints should be unmarked, and there should be multiple teleport destinations for each checkpoint, to avoid telefragging and possible spawn camping. Since teleports with the same TID are randomized, you can add multiple landings per checkpoint quite easily.

I know all these problems are starting to seem quite daunting, but pretty much any complex mod like this is going to require a lot of safety mechanisms. Just keep with it, and nail one problem at a time.

[Op-Cow]

Just to pick your brains.

How many checkpoints do you think these tracks need? They're all fairly small, and I think only mute city is could be considered to need more than one.

Hehe, when I first figured out how to make a lap counting system work I thought "this is easy, I can't believe I didn't think of it before"

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[EarthQuake]

Sorry I don't know the maps by name or number or yet, but yeah, the number of checkpoints would certainly need to vary. For that one map, the small oval track with the blood and skull piles, you can probably get away with just one checkpoint (on the opposite end of the start/finish line).

For Mute City, I think you would need 3 or 4.

I'd say you should be able to see the next checkpoint from the current one, establishing a visual chain of checkpoints. This more or less lets you see the general location of where you died after respawning. Note that in a map like Mute City, where you can pretty much see any number of potential checkpoints from one location, you don't have to take this literally. The distance between checkpoints could also vary, for example a straight stretch between two points might be longer, than a hazardous zone between two checkpoints.

[Cybershark]

Was just looking at UberGewei's XXXHQ last night, and I thought you should check it out, Mister Cow.

For one thing, I like the monkeys on the tricycles. For another, his arrow boosts on the floor would work well in this too.

[Op-Cow]

Here's the update.

https://sites.google.com/site/opcow4/sor5002.wad
https://sites.google.com/site/opcow4/rrace3.wad

The big thing is, the checkpoint system. All maps have at least two to prevent players from running back and forth rather than doing laps.

Also fixed the other issues mentioned in my 8/02 post.

Minor changes to the script.

If the checkpoints are implemented right, this should eliminate the need for silly start and finish ramps.

Thanks for all the help folks,
Op-Cow

[Op-Cow]

[Op-Cow]

New maps coming within the next couple of days!






Plus a dressing up of super off road.

[Evolution]

Can't wait!

[Op-Cow]

New wad containing new maps. No engine changes since rrace 3

https://sites.google.com/site/opcow4/rrace4b.wad

Super Off Road and Indy 500 have been integrated into the wad. Minor changes to Indy 500 and Super Off Road has been redecorated.

New maps, in the same order as the above screenshots

Map06: "Imp Crossing" Ah the gentle hills, open roads, and tranquil ponds of the American Midwest
Map08: "Figure 8 Derby" It's not whether you win or lose, it's how many you take with you. Fun fact: It's a happy accident this wound up as map 8. I think I'll leave it that way.
Map07: "Tsukuba Circuit" The track that started it all, now better looking and better playing.
Map09: "Cyberdemon's Castle" Did You Know? The cyberdemon is the single largest private sponsor of the Formula Doom Grand Prix. Every year an invitational event is held at his magnificent summer castle. All proceeds benefit UAC executives in need.

Op-Cow

[Cybershark]

Just checked in on this last night - had been a while.

Love some of the new maps - the impy one looks really good. And lol, I always wanted to make a Dunlop bridge sometime!

Shame it's FFA now, as you can't switch to chasecam anymore. It's a shame there's no player ranking at the end, but that would require all players to cross the finish line. Not really practical.

[Op-Cow]

I was trying to put together a leader board, but the closest thing I could find was a really clunky bit of script tracks a high score by setting up a variable as the high score, then changing it every time a player achieves it. Multiply that by however many players you want to display, and a constantly updating hudmessage, and you'd come away with a giant script that wouldn't be very accurate without obscene numbers of checkpoints anyways.

Thanks for the feedback tho. I'm especially fond of the imp xing.

Op-Cow

[Op-Cow]

forgot some very important damage thing things in map09
Here's the fix

https://sites.google.com/site/opcow4/rrace4c.wad

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[Edwart]

I Did map10 but i don't put the scrpits and these stuff hehe there is

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