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Cybershark Spamming!
Joined: 05 Jan 2005 Location: off the grid, but still fighting for the users!
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Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 6:06 pm Post subject: Negative projectile damage |
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EQ once mentioned how he and Silvertear messed with this once. Using DEHACKED they set plasma shots to inflict negative damage and as a result were able to 'heal' both themselves and also monsters. I recently tried to make use of this feature but found that it had some drawbacks:
- It seems to only work on other players in Deathmatch. Couldn't seem to get it to work in any other gamemode (even with friendly fire enabled). I can't see any gameplay problems arising from allowing this to work in the other modes so that's what I'd like to see.
- There is no limit to the amount of health that can be granted - to monsters or players - by this method. Obviously ammo control helps but it's not an ideal situation there. Baah suggested using the megasphere upper limit as a cap for players (which I agree with), and that monsters be capped at their initial health (which I'm not so sure about).
- Shooting someone/thing with a modified gun has an odd side effect - the victim is drawn towards the target. Baah explained to me that "it calculates the pushback from the damage". I don't have a problem with this 'tractor beam' effect for either players or monsters - it would make healing players easier and could be used for some interesting ideas with monsters. Thought I better mention it though.
- When used on players (on or offline) there is no visible update to the health status. Obviously that is a real issue.
Not demanding this be added to next release or anything, but as I said, I can't see any reason for it not to be implemented properly at some point, and I'd like to hear what other people think about the possibility.
Demo map: negativedamagetest
Plasma shot damage is set to -2 here and there's some neutered imps in it to experiment on. |
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Geit-vd-plas God like!
Joined: 27 Mar 2006 Location: Shoe salesman!
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 11:07 am Post subject: |
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Negative damage doesn't seem best practise to me. As you noticed 'damage' does not only lower your health. So if it where suposed to 'work properly' then this also means it 'should' drag/push the player towards the projectile. (and make the screen blue )
I don't think there is good way to heal a monster anyway, cause I've not seen it anywhere before. Monster can't pick up items. Imagine a zombie stealing all your stimpacks
Come to think of it, didn't the whole shoedm thing failed because of this? |
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Doomination God like!
Joined: 23 Oct 2006 Location: It's NOT lupus. Posts: 6.022 x 10^23
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Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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yeah it's always fun to make imps pseudo-invincible with this stuff - 20 direct bfg shots to kill an imp after i fill him with healing plasma bullets
fun stuff |
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Cybershark Spamming!
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Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:00 pm Post subject: |
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Hey, it's not about creating stupid stuff to do! Although yes, bouncing imps around a map with rockets is definitely fun
For example, healing monsters would be quite beneficial in something like Roland's 'Kill The Cyberdemon' project. |
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EarthQuake Wicked Sick!
Joined: 02 Apr 2004 Location: Athens, Ohio. Dieblieber gonna getcha!
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Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 4:36 am Post subject: |
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I'm actually more interested in the tractor-beam effect. Imagining pulling a score thingy around an obstacle course with your gravity gun. |
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Doomination God like!
Joined: 23 Oct 2006 Location: It's NOT lupus. Posts: 6.022 x 10^23
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Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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it's "Zero-point energy field manipulator" earthquake
geez |
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phenex2 Unstoppable!
Joined: 10 Jan 2008
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 1:03 pm Post subject: |
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i remember playing around with this in the code, but i cant find my results.
i'll look into it again and make it work somehow. |
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phenex2 Unstoppable!
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Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | 316. Implemented proper handling of negative projectile/detonate damage.
The health of players and monsters is capped at spawn health.
Works for all modes. |
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Cybershark Spamming!
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Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 1:20 am Post subject: |
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Cooooooooool, thanks! |
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