Joined: 12 May 2008 Location: Toledo, OH, Clan: >AC<
Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 7:22 am Post subject: DUI New Jersey
So I've been back and forth lately when I've had the time to play. When I do come on, I typically look for CTF and DUI NJ is the most populated server for it - which is fine, no problem, right? Wrong. I know we don't run the servers but for christ sakes, allow some friggin' map voting! Nobody is going to abuse it and you guys decided to run every map in the all of the zdctfmps so it only lives for a few games until one of those not-so-fun maps come up. Mappers can cry all they want about it but I only have so much time, I'd at least like to enjoy the maps I'm playing and I can say that for only a select few maps in the zdctfmps. In fact, I would imagine most people may feel that way. So yeah, just a request I guess!
People always end up abusing it. I thought it was perhaps more restricted to the Euros, but I've seen it recently US-side too. Yeah, yeah, it's democratic an' all, but FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFS why are people so retarded when they use it? Why can they not just vote for the next map in the rotation, rather than invariably skipping back to one of the 'holy trinity'?
I'd say to Domains to leave the voting the way it is, but to tighten up the rotation. You only need a good maplist or voting, not both.
The huddled masses only want to play one set of CTF maps. That's enough of an eye-roller for me, but then they only want to play a handful out of the whole, all the time. It's way too selective and dull.
Is this the same SuperNova that was pondering how we can get new players to ZD (and make them stay)?
You say "nobody is gonna abuse it"?! Woah, seems you've never played on a zdctfmp server (especially an euro one).
Everyone knows what always happens on a public zdctfmp server with map voting. A few "pro" players who consider all the "non-competitive-worthy" maps (read: everything that's not included in the IDL mappack) come in and all they want to play are those 5 maps of the whole 30-map zdctfmp wad, forcing the rest of the server crew do the same.
Something tells me the DUI servers' settings are good as they are, seeing these are busy almost 24/7, and thank god (and/or AF-Domains) for keeping voting off and not turning it into another "zdctfmp 1,4,8,11,26,gg's" server.
Now, SuperNova, what you are requesting here, IMHO isn't doing much favour to the objects of your yoyo threads. Good old times when there was no voting whatsoever and ALL maps were run and I actually enjoyed public CTF. With most of the servers set up with map voting now, I'm sick of playing the same 5 maps, where these "elitists" know literally running through the map blindfold, over and over for years even on a public server with 30 maps in rotation. The Cupboard sums it up in short.
I don't mind that public CTF doesn't have map voting but c'mon now...MAP06? Really? Even with the lowered player limit via cvar overrides, that's 15 minutes that a huge chunk of the people spectating won't get to play. Same goes for MAP24.
All in all, everyone's life would be easier if those two atrocities were taken out of the rotation on every server in existence.
Guess my map14 is too much for you eh? We played a nice 3on3 game of it yesterday. It was nice because I hardly ever get to play a decent game without someone whining about how horrible they think it is. Come to think of it, just about all the maps that people bitch about aren't bad maps at all. I remember throwing fits over map10 in my noob days. In retrospect, I wish I could take back all the bitching I did. Today, it's not a bad map at all. Oh, and remember when everyone loved map06 because it was actually challenging to score? What happened to that? Did everyone grow soft?
Ultimately, what I want to get at, is that some people like to play the entire rainbow of maps those wads contain, not just the same 3 maps. It angers me when the game comes to map07 or map19 and people want to vote these excellent maps off in favor of that overplayed shit.
I can actually enjoy a CTF server for once.
Last edited by EarthQuake on Fri Nov 12, 2010 12:32 am; edited 1 time in total
Joined: 12 May 2008 Location: Toledo, OH, Clan: >AC<
Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 6:36 am Post subject:
Yo I'm completely on board with a tighter map rotation, Domains! I didn't think you guys would be willing to do that as it'd be more work, etc. whereas map voting is just the tweak of a simple flag. Nonetheless, I personally haven't had problems with it where servers run it in public but all of you seem to have had instances where it was abused so fair enough.
@Earthquake: to be honest, not all of the maps are good. And from what I've seen, most people would agree with that; also, as certain maps come up (like map05 after map04) it literally kills a highly populated server. So whether they are good or not doesn't matter, people clearly don't like them. And as has been the case for the last 10 years, people are going to play what they like - they don't care if you like it or not. As far as "the good ole' days," let's try to avoid that when it comes to CTF. In the good ole' days, we played DUI-style CTF (playing 5 on defense and running 1) and wondered why it was so hard to score. After some intelligent new thinkers concluded that perhaps running more players into the other base (not to mention they are intelligent runners) we were soon able to score 5 flags a game at a much higher rate. Maps like map06 are hard enough to score on with no D, so stalemate maps generally aren't fun anymore because the game itself is more advanced since then. Love you EQ, I do, but I don't really agree with you at all.
@Konar: I'm not really sure how to respond to your post as it literally made no sense. You're saying that I've suddenly gone from wanting to see activity to not caring/acting in a certain faith that would suggest otherwise? How did you come to that conclusion? I stated that I clearly want to see something done to make gameplay and activity thrive at it's highest levels and keep people interested so that they continue to play - not leave when a dull map comes up. Maybe it's just late and I'm not reading what you're trying to say correctly or I would at least hope that's the case.
Anywho, I'm not going to really argue the pros and cons of playing new maps. The bottom line is, I just want to play where other people are playing, where the most activity is. When running all of the maps in the ZDCTF rotation, it's very hard to do that. Personally, I would much rather see the current IDL wad ran as it has some of the best maps from a variety of different wads all bunched into one. Whether they are the best or not is debatable but I personally like them and get the sense that others do, too. Anywho, thanks a lot for the feedback Domains, I'll go ahead and post the maps I'd like to see now:
Map01, Map03, Map04, Map07, Map08, Map09, Map10 (I actually think that map is fun!), Map11, Map12, Map13, Map15, Map16, Map18, Map19, Map26, Map27, Map30..
To me, those are the maps that should absolutely be included. There are a few others that a case could be made for, but I would personally love to see that as the rotation.
Joined: 05 Jan 2005 Location: off the grid, but still fighting for the users!
Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 11:21 am Post subject:
SuperNova wrote:
Personally, I would much rather see the current IDL wad ran as it has some of the best maps from a variety of different wads all bunched into one. Whether they are the best or not is debatable but I personally like them and get the sense that others do, too.
I wish more hosts would de-privatise their IDL servers. If you're in the IDL then you can presumably practice on their hidden servers. And if you're not an IDL player? Then you don't need those servers, and you're not any better than anyone else, so how about you just suck some public down like the rest of us?
ChaosCore does have a pub server for the 2010 mappack anyways
Joined: 12 May 2008 Location: Toledo, OH, Clan: >AC<
Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 7:44 pm Post subject:
My point really had nothing to do with the IDL players and private servers, Cybershark. The only thing I was suggesting was that I feel the current IDL wad has the top maps from a variety of map-packs out there, at least that's my opinion and if someone were to argue otherwise I wouldn't necessarily disagree with them. I know you have your issues with the people running private servers and I believe there are certainly good and bad aspects of it but that really had nothing to do with the point I was making.
Thanks for the map adustment. Have all the other servers received a map adjustment as well? I know there was at least a couple servers that were gonna be adusted...
Joined: 05 Jan 2005 Location: off the grid, but still fighting for the users!
Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 9:50 pm Post subject:
Dan, those other servers probably had wiser settings from the get-go. No offense Domains
SuperNova wrote:
My point really had nothing to do with the IDL players and private servers, Cybershark.
Neither did mine really.
I wouldn't have a problem with those priv servers so much if the hosts also had public counterparts which represented this wonderfully diverse pack. The fact that the pack is the IDL's is neither here nor there.
Joined: 12 May 2008 Location: Toledo, OH, Clan: >AC<
Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 11:55 pm Post subject:
Right but there's nothing stopping other servers from running the IDL wad. It's really just a name when it boils down to it, it's not like the IDL created these maps themselves - they've been around for years. Instead, they decided to put a pack together featuring some of the more favored maps from a variety of map-packs, which again, there is nothing stopping anyone from doing the same in those regards either.
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